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Game Two Postgame Notes

During the live blog over at A2Y, "AndrewFromAnnArbor" posted that the story tomorrow will be that the Wings need to cut down on penalties. If the officiating is going to follow the standard of tonight's game, the best way to do that might be to not ice a team.

The Detroit News' Chris McCosky says, "The Wings players gave the referees a pretty good verbal assault on their way off the ice." Good to see they're as p*ssed about it as we were but the end of the game is a little late for that, guys.

George Malik called the game a

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Only pregame note that really matters is Patrick Eaves out with an elbow injury. Jason Williams back in the lineup to replace him.

San Jose also makes a switch, with Patrick Marleau back in for Jed Ortmeyer.

It's the last Versus-exclusive game of the series, we'll have to hope not for the season, even if we hate those guys.

Posted by YzerFan19 on 5/2/2010 at 7:20 PM

 

Hey Versus, show me the penalty, I didn't see it.

Posted by YzerFan19 on 5/2/2010 at 8:12 PM

 

Solid kill. Howard must have done something awful, you never see goalies called for slashing.

Posted by YzerFan19 on 5/2/2010 at 8:15 PM

 

sh*t, Pasha can score from anywhere, with any number of Sharks on him. Wow.

Posted by YzerFan19 on 5/2/2010 at 8:21 PM

 

They called that. Wow.

Posted by YzerFan19 on 5/2/2010 at 8:26 PM

 

Of course they score on that piece of sh*t power play. f*ck.

Posted by YzerFan19 on 5/2/2010 at 8:28 PM

 

Bert gets tripped at one end, San Jose goes down and scores at the other.

Posted by YzerFan19 on 5/2/2010 at 8:30 PM

 

Hrm, power play.

Posted by YzerFan19 on 5/2/2010 at 8:34 PM

 

Hell. Yes.

Posted by YzerFan19 on 5/2/2010 at 8:36 PM

 

When the Sharks get called it's a "liberal" call. STFU, Reaugh.

Posted by YzerFan19 on 5/2/2010 at 9:07 PM

 

Lidstrom. Wow. Not a PPG but who cares?

Posted by YzerFan19 on 5/2/2010 at 9:13 PM

 

Bad enough call that even the Versus guys couldn't defend it.

Posted by YzerFan19 on 5/2/2010 at 9:22 PM

 

Jimmy comes up big on Thornton.

Posted by YzerFan19 on 5/2/2010 at 9:25 PM

 

So let me get this straight... Howard takes a stick to the face and no call. Bert touches Nabakov with three Sharks around him, one pushes him into the goalie and it's a penalty? Explain that to me Bettman!!!!

Side note: How many times is Homer going to get tackled before they call it? Any takers?

Posted by SYfanSD on 5/2/2010 at 9:57 PM

 

What kind of weak ass call was that?

Posted by SYfanSD on 5/2/2010 at 10:11 PM

 

Of course they f*cking score <img src="http://forums.detroithockey.net/public/style_emoticons/default/wink.png" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=";)" border="0" alt="wink.png" />

Posted by SYfanSD on 5/2/2010 at 10:13 PM

 

Of course they get a five-on-three goal just as they need it. Wow.

Posted by YzerFan19 on 5/2/2010 at 10:13 PM

 

Great... Another 5 on 3

Posted by SYfanSD on 5/2/2010 at 10:15 PM

 

Great... Another 5 on 3


The refing is enough to make me stop watching hockey.

Posted by scout6 on 5/2/2010 at 10:19 PM

 

Hook uncalled. So much for eveners.

Posted by YzerFan19 on 5/2/2010 at 10:20 PM

 


Great... Another 5 on 3


The refing is enough to make me stop watching hockey.

Except none of us actually will and the NHL knows. I'm dedicated to the team, not the league, and the NHL knows I'll watch my team.

Posted by YzerFan19 on 5/2/2010 at 10:21 PM

 

Hook uncalled. So much for eveners.


Agreed

Posted by SYfanSD on 5/2/2010 at 10:27 PM

 

I hate this game...

Posted by SYfanSD on 5/2/2010 at 10:31 PM

 

Now that we need it, do we get our five-on-three now?

Posted by YzerFan19 on 5/2/2010 at 10:31 PM

 

Awful call on Heatley. A lot like Bertuzzi's earlier.

Posted by YzerFan19 on 5/2/2010 at 10:39 PM

 

Can we complain about the reffing? Bull-frigging-sh*t!

Posted by OldBroad on 5/2/2010 at 10:47 PM

 

I think the people who were officiating tonight should be fired. And I thought last game's calls were bad, sheesh.

Posted by Mathieu_Datsyuk132351 on 5/2/2010 at 10:48 PM

 

Can we complain about the reffing? Bull-frigging-sh*t!



I think the people who were officiating tonight should be fired. And I thought last game's calls were bad, sheesh.


Everyone else in the league will talk about how the Wings always get all the calls, but I'm on board with bitching about the refs.

Posted by YzerFan19 on 5/2/2010 at 11:02 PM

 


Can we complain about the reffing? Bull-frigging-sh*t!



I think the people who were officiating tonight should be fired. And I thought last game's calls were bad, sheesh.


Everyone else in the league will talk about how the Wings always get all the calls, but I'm on board with bitching about the refs.

I am listening to the postgame on the radio..."one-sided officiating" I believe they was the term used to characterize tonight's mess. And yes, it's not so much the calls on the Wings as the non-calls on the Sharks that I find disgusting.I thought the Wings had a chance of rising above it...beating both the Sharks and the refs...but it was not to be.

Posted by OldBroad on 5/2/2010 at 11:21 PM

 

They're discussing the face-off dilemma (Wings not so effective) on 97.1, but someone quoted during the game said that the Sharks were simply out-cheating the Wings...I've heard the Wings accused of cheating in this area before.

And they're talking about Jimmy, but I don't think we can fault Jimmy. The team defense has to be much tougher and more alert in front of him.

Posted by OldBroad on 5/2/2010 at 11:44 PM

 

During the live blog over at A2Y, "AndrewFromAnnArbor" posted that the story tomorrow will be that the Wings need to cut down on penalties. If the officiating is going to follow the standard of tonight's game, the best way to do that might be to not ice a team.The Detroit News' Chris McCosky says, "The Wings players gave the referees a pretty good verbal assault on their way off the ice." Good to see they're as p*ssed about it as we were but the end of the game is a little late for that, guys.George Malik called the game a "screw-job."I want so much to believe that there is not a double-standard, that there is no conspiracy, but in tonight's game I can't.I'm not going to go through each penalty and/or non-call or anything, either you already believe what I'm writing or nothing I can say will ever change your mind. I'll just point out a couple things.I said at the time of each that the Patrick Marleau boarding call and the Dany Heatley goalie interference calls were crap. So, yes, some bad calls went San Jose's way.Penalties I didn't like going against Detroit?Both goalie interference calls. Evgeni Nabokov dove, plain and simple.Todd Bertuzzi's "holding" penalty that ended up being the first penalty of the five-on-three San Jose used to tie the game. Bertuzzi knocked his man down but to call it a hold when he clearly didn't hold him shows me the ref didn't see it and made the call on the outcome.Dan Cleary's slash on Blake for the Sharks' second (though short) two-man advantage. A Mickey Redmond favorite, for sure. Cleary made no contact with Blake, contact was only with his stick, and the call was made only because Blake's stick broke.Did the referees cost the Red Wings the game? Not directly, of course not. If the Wings score on that flurry early in the third we could be talking about something entirely different right now.I simply cannot believe that this was an evenly-called game.Calling the game evenly does not mean that the same number of penalties are called for each team, another point I'll readily admit. It does mean using the same standards for each team for the entire game, however.One bit of stats to throw out there...In the regular season the Sharks were the league's fifth-most penalized team in the league. They were shorthanded just a hair shy of four times per game. The Wings, meanwhile, were 27th in the league at 3.25 times shorthanded per game.Tonight the Red Wings were shorthanded ten times to San Jose's four. The Sharks had 12:54 of power play time, including 1:06 of five-on-three, which of course doesn't include time that was wiped out by power play goals. Detroit had no five-on-threes and 4:38 of power play time.Take from that what you will. I refuse to take that the Wings are that much more undisciplined of a team.


Posted by OldBroad on 5/2/2010 at 11:49 PM

 

bad fans of bad franchises whine about calls. Refs probably could have called 5 more on the Red Wings. Holmstrom is a gutless coward who can only cheapshot players when their backs are turned. Love Bertuzzi's strategy to keep putting the Sharks on the power play with his stupidity.

If you're blaming the refs, you clearly do not understasnd hockey. Try learning the rules. Holmstrom could be called for interference on almost every play in front of the net. The guy is a horrible cheater. Red Wings win without integrity.

It's quite simple: play hockey and learn to stop committing obvious penalties.

Worst call of the night went against the SHarks when HEatley got pushed into Howard who is the worst goalie left in the playoffs.

Sharks have earned the penalties by outworking the Red Wings and moving their feet. Sharks have not played well yet but still good enough to take it to the Red Wings. These have been the two worst games the Sharks have played in the playoffs so far.

Posted by Red Wings Cheat on 5/3/2010 at 3:13 PM

 

Anytime you slash and break a guys stick it usually gets called. If it didn't you'd see it happen all the time. What better way to gain an advantage than removing the stick from your opponent.

While I can agree to an extent that I have seen some pretty horrible calls/non calls. It's not only the Red Wing games.

Yesterdays Habs game had plenty of fringe calls against the Habs and several blatant non-calls vs the Pens.

Crosby breaking his stick over the Habs net and throwing it into the corner the most glaring.

Fact is we get the benefit of replay, the refs don't. Everything is fast paced. Sometimes refs blow calls, sometimes they get em right. The OHL is even worse when it comes to consistancy but human error always adds more emotion to the games whether its good or bad.

Posted by klaitinen on 5/3/2010 at 3:25 PM

 

Anytime you slash and break a guys stick it usually gets called. If it didn't you'd see it happen all the time. What better way to gain an advantage than removing the stick from your opponent.


My problem is that the call was made based on the outcome. Filppula (I think) had his stick slashed in the exact same manner shortly after the Cleary call but because his stick didn't break it's not illegal?


While I can agree to an extent that I have seen some pretty horrible calls/non calls. It's not only the Red Wing games.Yesterdays Habs game had plenty of fringe calls against the Habs and several blatant non-calls vs the Pens.Crosby breaking his stick over the Habs net and throwing it into the corner the most glaring.


I never said it was just the Wings games. I didn't see Crosby's play but I can't say it surprises me.


Fact is we get the benefit of replay, the refs don't. Everything is fast paced. Sometimes refs blow calls, sometimes they get em right. The OHL is even worse when it comes to consistancy but human error always adds more emotion to the games whether its good or bad.


That's an argument I will never buy under the current circumstances. A ref, like a cop (but obviously much less important), is someone that doesn't get to say "Eh, can't catch 'em all." If the refs want to come out afterwards and say "Yeah, we totally blew that one" then I'm cool with it but we do not get to have the league saying "Our refs are perfect" while they hide behind a "nobody's perfect" excuse.And no amount of replay matters on some of those calls. To use the Heatley goalie interference call I already mentioned I thought was bad as an example, that is clearly a case of the refs not seeing what happened and only seeing the result, making a call based on that and that alone. There is no way to see Heatley crash into Howard and decide to make a call based on that without also seeing Stuart riding Heatley in. They saw a result and *made up* what happened to get to that result, calling a penalty on what they imagined. That's unacceptable.

Posted by YzerFan19 on 5/3/2010 at 4:33 PM

 

You see alot of stick slashing throughout games. The ones that break sticks are usually all called. I think it's the fact that you are disabling a player by removing his stick is the reason it gets called. I have seen slashes that the stick doesnt break but makes the player drop it called so I'm going to assume it's up to the ref.

I don't think we'll ever achieve a perfect solution to appeasing everyone when it comes to reffing. Adding the 2nd ref has probably did alot but some games for me at least it seems both of them are never on the same page. Whether they talk about giving the linesmen the power to call penalties as a possible solution would work, I dont know. In the end I don't think they can or should add any more bodies on the ice and by adding more responsibilities to either the linemen or refs, does it take away from their original responsibilities?

I think in the end, whining and bitching is about all we have. Theres going to be good games and always going to be bad games.

Posted by klaitinen on 5/4/2010 at 11:20 AM

 

What I'd like to see is move the second ref to a video booth. That takes care of the problem of lack of space on the ice and gives him a wider view on what's happening. Give him a buzzer or something so he can signal down when he wants to make a call.

Not sure how well it'd work but I think it's worth a shot.

Posted by YzerFan19 on 5/4/2010 at 12:52 PM

 
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