Misconduct

Reffing Bad But Not at Fault for Wings' Loss

As any frequent readers might guess, I'm not doing a formal recap of the Game Three loss. I've got an opinion about this one and I'm going to babble.

Malik already has a post up called "I don't want to hear about the refs." I do want to hear about them but not in the context of why the Wings lost.

Detroit lost because they got three shots in the third period. They lost because they failed to clear their defensive zone repeatedly. They lost because they did an awful job of blocking shots and because they scrambled and were out of position in their own end. None of that is any ref's fault.

That said, I don't think the refs can go without being criticized. While they didn't cause the loss, they sure as hell didn't call a good game.

The big thing that a lot of people will have trouble letting go is four officials all missing the fact that the Penguins had an extra man on the ice for a whole 20 seconds in the first period. I agree with that one. Given that it's one of the penalties a linesman can call it's insane to me to think that no one saw it. What else do they miss if they couldn't see that one for over 20 seconds?

I've gotta just shake my head at that one. Thankfully nothing really came of it so it's easier to ignore after the fact. Someone should get chewed out for it, though.

The penalty on Jonathan Ericsson in the third period... That's the painful one. The Penguins got their game-winner on that one and it's hard to ignore the cheapness of the call.

First off, yes, it was a penalty. As written in the rulebook, that is a play that should be called. So in the context of the rulebook it was the right call.

In the context of the game, however, I'm not happy about it.

First off, it's a play that Hal Gill made repeatedly throughout the game. I can remember without video replay two or three times he held up Marian Hossa coming into the Pittsburgh end chasing after the puck. And it wasn't called any of those times. So to treat that play as if it weren't a penalty all game only to call it midway through the third is confusing to me.

Additionally, this came just minutes after Chris Kunitz put a high hit on Johan Franzen that went uncalled. One that even the NBC guys were questioning. By not calling that, the refs have signaled that they've "put the whistles away" but then they seemingly reverse that by calling Ericsson. What you end up having is a high hit not being worth a penalty but a cheap hold getting called.

It's not a conspiracy, these refs didn't do this to give Pittsburgh an advantage, it's just something that looks bad. The Red Wings didn't lose because of it but hockey fans everywhere have a right to feel like it left a bad taste in their mouths.

And just because I'm sure someone somewhere will make the argument, this is how these are different from the calls Penguins fans made for Henrik Zetterberg to be penalized for covering the puck in the Detroit crease earlier in the series:

That call was entirely subjective. The official announcement was that the officials didn't think Zetterberg closed his hand on the puck, instead he was just sweeping the puck off Osgood's back. Kind of like how you can knock the puck down with your glove and it's not the same as catching it.

I can see how some might say the dirtiness of Kunitz's hit was subjective, too, though I don't agree that it was clean.

I can't see how you can compare any of Gill's uncalled holding to Ericsson's called holding and see any subjective difference. The two players made the same play. Maybe not the exact same steps but the same effect and the same intent. Someone will have to explain what the difference is.

Speaking of subjective, the Penguins' best player in Game Three was Evgeni Malkin with three assists. Lucky Pittsburgh that he was ruled to have not been sending a message at the end of Game Two, otherwise they'd have played this game without him.

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The Penguins are IN A MUST-WIN... there is not a shot in hell if they lose tonight, although I love my Penguins I put there chances of beating Detroit 4 of 5 at about 5%. I just hope that the Penguins learn from this experience, especially the GM Shero. He has the components to build a cup dynasty, he just has to learn to build around them better through the draft and cheaper free-agents, like it is done in Detroit.

Posted by burke6687 on 6/2/2009 at 4:33 PM

 

MacLeod says that Samuelsson is in the pre-game soccer kickaround and is predicting that he will be in the lineup tonight with Draper kept out.

Posted by YzerFan19 on 6/2/2009 at 6:34 PM

 

He has the components to build a cup dynasty, he just has to learn to build around them better through the draft and cheaper free-agents, like it is done in Detroit.


I would argue that Shero's got a tougher job with Crosby and Malkin taking up a combined 17.4M cap hit. Detroit, on the other hand, gets Zetterberg, Datsyuk and Franzen for that much.And if they're making that much money, they have to improve defensively. Someone's going to have to do to Crosby what Ken Hitchcock did to Rick Nash in Columbus and make him be able to play on the PK. Every penalty the Penguins take hits them twice because the player goes off and Crosby goes off.

Posted by YzerFan19 on 6/2/2009 at 7:08 PM

 

When Datsyuk is healthy again who do you think would be ousted? :c I'm just curious, Helm and Abdelkader and doing such a great job. Especially with Draper good to go, as well.

Posted by Mathieu_Datsyuk132351 on 6/2/2009 at 7:32 PM

 

Leino will be the odd-man out when Datsyuk returns.

Posted by YzerFan19 on 6/2/2009 at 7:44 PM

 

Leino will be the odd-man out when Datsyuk returns.


That sucks cause he's done well, too. ):I hope the Wings can get another win in Pittsburgh, or at least play their best.

Posted by Mathieu_Datsyuk132351 on 6/2/2009 at 8:03 PM

 

This is where the series gets interesting. If the Wings don't at least split in Pittsburgh, they've wasted their two-game lead.

Posted by YzerFan19 on 6/2/2009 at 8:13 PM

 

Wings have gotta survive the first 10 minutes. Carrying them would be fantastic.

Posted by YzerFan19 on 6/2/2009 at 8:16 PM

 

Wooooow, that was a wide-open net for Pittsburgh. Thank god the pass didn't make it.

Posted by Mathieu_Datsyuk132351 on 6/2/2009 at 8:18 PM

 

So much for surviving. That puck should have been cleared. What a mess.

Posted by YzerFan19 on 6/2/2009 at 8:24 PM

 

That sucks. I was just going to say things looked a little sloppy, too. ):

Posted by Mathieu_Datsyuk132351 on 6/2/2009 at 8:24 PM

 

What a f*ck up.

Posted by Britishwingsfan on 6/2/2009 at 8:25 PM

 

Yeah Zata! Tied back up!

Posted by YzerFan19 on 6/2/2009 at 8:26 PM

 

And Zetterberg makes it up! <img src="http://forums.detroithockey.net/public/style_emoticons/default/smile.png" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":)" border="0" alt="smile.png" />

Good sign.

Posted by Mathieu_Datsyuk132351 on 6/2/2009 at 8:26 PM

 

Phew.

Posted by Britishwingsfan on 6/2/2009 at 8:28 PM

 

thank u Hank

Posted by bigred4478 on 6/2/2009 at 8:28 PM

 

Wow! That made the Igloo silent!

Posted by SYfanSD on 6/2/2009 at 8:28 PM

 

PPG too much to ask for?

Posted by YzerFan19 on 6/2/2009 at 8:33 PM

 


He has the components to build a cup dynasty, he just has to learn to build around them better through the draft and cheaper free-agents, like it is done in Detroit.


I would argue that Shero's got a tougher job with Crosby and Malkin taking up a combined 17.4M cap hit. Detroit, on the other hand, gets Zetterberg, Datsyuk and Franzen for that much.And if they're making that much money, they have to improve defensively. Someone's going to have to do to Crosby what Ken Hitchcock did to Rick Nash in Columbus and make him be able to play on the PK. Every penalty the Penguins take hits them twice because the player goes off and Crosby goes off.

In other words... What we do with our star players.

Posted by SYfanSD on 6/2/2009 at 8:34 PM

 

big PP here LET"S GO!!!

Posted by bigred4478 on 6/2/2009 at 8:34 PM

 

Johan Mother f*cking Franzen!

Posted by YzerFan19 on 6/2/2009 at 8:36 PM

 

Looking good <img src="http://forums.detroithockey.net/public/style_emoticons/default/smile.png" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":)" border="0" alt="smile.png" /> Frannnnnnzen!

Posted by Mathieu_Datsyuk132351 on 6/2/2009 at 8:36 PM

 

Franzen yet again.

Posted by Britishwingsfan on 6/2/2009 at 8:37 PM

 

Yeah BABY!!!!! J.M.F Bitches! (Copyright Clark Rasmussen)

Posted by SYfanSD on 6/2/2009 at 8:38 PM

 

great job the way they started kinda scared me great recovery

Posted by bigred4478 on 6/2/2009 at 8:38 PM

 

Penguins fans want to say they don't get any breaks? <img src="http://forums.detroithockey.net/public/style_emoticons/default/smile.png" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":)" border="0" alt="smile.png" />

Posted by YzerFan19 on 6/2/2009 at 8:39 PM

 

Penguins fans want to say they don't get any breaks? <img src="http://forums.detroithockey.net/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.png" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":)" border="0" alt="smile.png" />


lol yeah you know?? that might be the longest i have seen to many men with no call

Posted by bigred4478 on 6/2/2009 at 8:40 PM

 

Of course<now they can see!

Posted by Mooseknuckle on 6/2/2009 at 8:44 PM

 

I would have been amazed if they didn't call that hold. PK better hold up.

Posted by YzerFan19 on 6/2/2009 at 8:44 PM

 

I wonder if on this powerplay the Pens go with 7 skaters? How about 8? Oh, what the hell, they might as well put their whole bench out there, including 2 goalies, seeing as how they can get away with it

Posted by Britishwingsfan on 6/2/2009 at 8:46 PM

 

Big stop by Ozzie off the Lidstrom giveaway.

Posted by YzerFan19 on 6/2/2009 at 8:47 PM

 

OH MYYYY! OZZY

Posted by Mooseknuckle on 6/2/2009 at 8:47 PM

 

They tied it up again? Craaaap.

I still feel ok about tonight's game, though.

Posted by Mathieu_Datsyuk132351 on 6/2/2009 at 8:47 PM

 

Knew that would happen as soon as Franzen went down. Damn.

Posted by YzerFan19 on 6/2/2009 at 8:47 PM

 

His first softy

Posted by Mooseknuckle on 6/2/2009 at 8:48 PM

 

Aargh.

Posted by Britishwingsfan on 6/2/2009 at 8:49 PM

 

You know... There is always one sure bet you can make against the Wings, the other team WILL score on the Power Play. <img src="http://forums.detroithockey.net/public/style_emoticons/default/smile.png" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":)" border="0" alt="smile.png" />

Posted by SYfanSD on 6/2/2009 at 8:51 PM

 

did someone shoot him?

Posted by Mooseknuckle on 6/2/2009 at 8:51 PM

 

All that "subtle interference" Olczyk keeps bitching about? What about when the Pens hold people up on the way into their zone?

Posted by YzerFan19 on 6/2/2009 at 8:51 PM

 

Disappointing period given that the Wings had a lead but if you had told me at the start of the game that the Penguins would score first but it would be tied after 20 minutes I'd have been happy with that.

Posted by YzerFan19 on 6/2/2009 at 8:55 PM

 

Disappointing period given that the Wings had a lead but if you had told me at the start of the game that the Penguins would score first but it would be tied after 20 minutes I'd have been happy with that.


As predicted, the penalty calling would be inconsistant.

Posted by SYfanSD on 6/2/2009 at 8:59 PM

 

At least they finally started to play some Offense

Posted by Mooseknuckle on 6/2/2009 at 9:00 PM

 


Disappointing period given that the Wings had a lead but if you had told me at the start of the game that the Penguins would score first but it would be tied after 20 minutes I'd have been happy with that.


As predicted, the penalty calling would be inconsistant.

They are at least consistantly inconsistant!?@#

Posted by Mooseknuckle on 6/2/2009 at 9:02 PM

 

Fleury sucks, if it weren't for the posts... <img src="http://forums.detroithockey.net/public/style_emoticons/default/smile.png" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":)" border="0" alt="smile.png" />

Posted by YzerFan19 on 6/2/2009 at 9:16 PM

 

Some good chances there. Which is another good sign <img src="http://forums.detroithockey.net/public/style_emoticons/default/smile.png" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":)" border="0" alt="smile.png" />

Posted by Mathieu_Datsyuk132351 on 6/2/2009 at 9:16 PM

 

Stupid icing. He had room to skate it out.

Posted by YzerFan19 on 6/2/2009 at 9:22 PM

 

Close call on Helm. That's freaky.

Posted by YzerFan19 on 6/2/2009 at 9:33 PM

 

Big power play here. Goal would be huge.

Posted by YzerFan19 on 6/2/2009 at 9:39 PM

 

that hit in the corner could of been ugly to on Helm

Posted by bigred4478 on 6/2/2009 at 9:39 PM

 

Power play spent too long looking for the pass early on. Sammy was the only one shooting.

Posted by YzerFan19 on 6/2/2009 at 9:44 PM

 

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