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Thoughts on the Non-Goal

Running on about four hours of sleep, we'll see how today goes. In the meantime, here's another thought about the non-goal at the end of last night's game.

I have no problem with the "play is dead when the ref decides it is, not when he actually blows the whistle" rule. There is a human action required to blow play dead and that action takes a second. It feels like there should be a better way but right now there isn't so for the most part this rule works.

My issue is with when referee Brad Watson decided to blow play dead.

While the letter of the law is that the ref has to blow play dead when he loses sight of the puck, that's not what actually happens. There are hundreds of times throughout the game where a ref loses sight of the puck. He gets spun around trying to get out of the way of the play, a player steps in front of him, or something as simple as blinking. When that happens, the ref can reasonably assume the puck is still playable and that he'll quickly regain sight of it.

My problem with the non-goal is that the same reasonable assumption should have applied to it. Watson was out of position because the play happened fast. Not faulting him there. He knew he was out of position, as seen by how he raced to get back to his spot behind the net. Before he got there, while Jonas Hiller's body was blocking his view of the puck, Watson decided that he could no longer reasonably assume the puck was playable.

He gave Hiller the benefit of the doubt and a quick whistle. He consciously decided that it was unreasonable to assume that the puck was free. He guessed that Hiller had it covered.

Watson guessed wrong and it cost the Wings the tying goal. That's my issue with what happened.

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damn i was hopin to have at least one of them back this has made me more nervous after Sunday hopefully we actually PLAY 3 periods of regulation hockey cuz it seemed we took the 2nd off Sunday and have done that it seems numerous times this year

Posted by bigred4478 on 5/4/2009 at 10:32 PM

 

Ohmygod it starts at ten? :| I need sleep. I'm already deprived enough. I don't know if I can pull it through this game XD

Posted by Mathieu_Datsyuk132351 on 5/5/2009 at 3:09 PM

 

Ohmygod it starts at ten?


Worse. 10:30. Not looking forward to tomorrow.

Posted by YzerFan19 on 5/5/2009 at 3:31 PM

 

I'll probably have to pass on this one and the next one, even though I don't want to. It's virually impossible to do. I mean, 3:30 AM start. That's just too much.

Posted by Britishwingsfan on 5/5/2009 at 4:36 PM

 

Datsyuk playing with a broken leg again? The series reminds me of '07 again. Ducks have virtually the same team if not better. Still think ducks have this series, wings just don't match up well against they're size and gritty style. They're players know how to beat the wings, Wings just fall into their traps. Ducks are smarter. Their top line is outperforming the wings top line. GET ON GETZLAF!

Posted by RideTheRedWave on 5/5/2009 at 6:07 PM

 

10:30.


Is what I meant. Oops. :| That is @*)(&*(&#$^&# ridiculous. Wow. I hope it's worthwhile, at least. Maybe I can sleep in my history class.

Posted by Mathieu_Datsyuk132351 on 5/5/2009 at 6:34 PM

 

Datsyuk playing with a broken leg again? The series reminds me of '07 again. Ducks have virtually the same team if not better. Still think ducks have this series, wings just don't match up well against they're size and gritty style. They're players know how to beat the wings, Wings just fall into their traps. Ducks are smarter. Their top line is outperforming the wings top line. GET ON GETZLAF!


Well aren't you just a negative nancy. <img src="http://forums.detroithockey.net/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/suspect.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":suspect:" border="0" alt="suspect.gif" />

Posted by drwmike33 on 5/5/2009 at 7:02 PM

 

I'm good to go on sleep so far!

Baaaaah, I hope Niedermayer falls and breaks a hip or something :|

Posted by Mathieu_Datsyuk132351 on 5/5/2009 at 10:22 PM

 

Part of me thinks this will be a big win, part of me thinks it's gonna end badly. Top line has to do something. Rocking the Datsyuk jersey to throw some good vibes his way.

Posted by YzerFan19 on 5/5/2009 at 10:31 PM

 

Early power play. Big chance. Gotta do something.

Posted by YzerFan19 on 5/5/2009 at 10:43 PM

 

Horrible power play. Has a pass connected for Detroit yet tonight?

Posted by YzerFan19 on 5/5/2009 at 10:46 PM

 

Let's talk about how great the Ducks have played when the faceoff is in the Wings zone. Totally helps the nerves.

Posted by Mathieu_Datsyuk132351 on 5/5/2009 at 10:48 PM

 

I'll probably have to pass on this one and the next one, even though I don't want to. It's virually impossible to do. I mean, 3:30 AM start. That's just too much.


Uh, yeah. I must be mental.

Posted by Britishwingsfan on 5/5/2009 at 10:48 PM

 


I'll probably have to pass on this one and the next one, even though I don't want to. It's virually impossible to do. I mean, 3:30 AM start. That's just too much.


Uh, yeah. I must be mental.

That's dedication. You get the Gilchrist award tonight.

Posted by YzerFan19 on 5/5/2009 at 10:50 PM

 

Solid kill. Ozzie looks good. Fourth line jumping already.

Posted by YzerFan19 on 5/5/2009 at 10:52 PM

 

GOD DAMNIT.

So close. That would've been awesome. :|

At least it wasn't Draper? <img src="http://forums.detroithockey.net/public/style_emoticons/default/suspect.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":suspect:" border="0" alt="suspect.gif" />

Posted by Mathieu_Datsyuk132351 on 5/5/2009 at 10:58 PM

 

Ugh, Sammy misses a shot that Getzlaf's made this series. Franzen off for a call we don't get a replay of.

Posted by YzerFan19 on 5/5/2009 at 10:59 PM

 



I'll probably have to pass on this one and the next one, even though I don't want to. It's virually impossible to do. I mean, 3:30 AM start. That's just too much.


Uh, yeah. I must be mental.

That's dedication. You get the Gilchrist award tonight.

Thanks. As long as I don't have to get anything injected in my groin.There's people on hfboards who are watching in central Europe (plus 1 hour). And they actually have to get up in the morning.Things seem to be going reasonably wuickly at he moment. Which is good.Golden opportunity for Samuelsson there. Hiller was beaten.

Posted by Britishwingsfan on 5/5/2009 at 10:59 PM

 

Another big kill. At least the D is working.

Posted by YzerFan19 on 5/5/2009 at 11:01 PM

 

Well. f*ck.

Posted by YzerFan19 on 5/5/2009 at 11:06 PM

 

Selanne scores.

I don't know if I can make it tonight. I am very weak willed :|

Posted by Mathieu_Datsyuk132351 on 5/5/2009 at 11:07 PM

 

Aww.

Posted by Britishwingsfan on 5/5/2009 at 11:08 PM

 

The Wings might be able to score one like that if they could connect on a single f*cking pass tonight.

Posted by YzerFan19 on 5/5/2009 at 11:08 PM

 

Yessssss! Beat Maltby up <img src="http://forums.detroithockey.net/public/style_emoticons/default/suspect.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":suspect:" border="0" alt="suspect.gif" />

Posted by Mathieu_Datsyuk132351 on 5/5/2009 at 11:14 PM

 

Pronger in the box, even better <img src="http://forums.detroithockey.net/public/style_emoticons/default/suspect.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":suspect:" border="0" alt="suspect.gif" />

Posted by Mathieu_Datsyuk132351 on 5/5/2009 at 11:18 PM

 

Shots from the blue line are too high, getting knocked down by the Ducks.

Posted by YzerFan19 on 5/5/2009 at 11:20 PM

 

Have the Wings won a single battle along the boards tonight?

Posted by YzerFan19 on 5/5/2009 at 11:21 PM

 

What a crap powerplay to finish the period. At least the Duck didn't convert that 2 on 1.

Posted by Britishwingsfan on 5/5/2009 at 11:22 PM

 

I'm eating a bowl of ice cream. It's the most exciting thing I've seen in the last hour or so.

Posted by YzerFan19 on 5/5/2009 at 11:33 PM

 

I'm eating a bowl of ice cream. It's the most exciting thing I've seen in the last hour or so.


That has to be the greatest thing I've heard all week XD

Posted by Mathieu_Datsyuk132351 on 5/5/2009 at 11:35 PM

 

Well, at least Pavs had a couple chances there. Not completely invisible.

Posted by YzerFan19 on 5/5/2009 at 11:50 PM

 

They called that? Um...

Posted by YzerFan19 on 5/5/2009 at 11:53 PM

 

Ugh, this sucks. I didn't see that goal, I was having printer issues.

Posted by Mathieu_Datsyuk132351 on 5/5/2009 at 11:55 PM

 

Brilliant. Just f*cking brilliant.

Posted by Britishwingsfan on 5/5/2009 at 11:57 PM

 

Carlyle would pitch a fit if that had gone the other way. f*ck this game.

Posted by YzerFan19 on 5/5/2009 at 11:57 PM

 

I'll be damned, a good shift. We'll see what the power play brings.

Posted by YzerFan19 on 5/6/2009 at 12:04 AM

 

Zetterberg gets a powerplay goal! Awesome <3

+ I'm out, I can't handle this. (Well, I'll still be watching. I'll comment tomorrow.)

Posted by Mathieu_Datsyuk132351 on 5/6/2009 at 12:10 AM

 

On the board, bitches! Way to go Zata!

Posted by YzerFan19 on 5/6/2009 at 12:10 AM

 

Get in.

Posted by Britishwingsfan on 5/6/2009 at 12:12 AM

 

Kronwall played right into the Ducks' hands there. Stupid.

Posted by Britishwingsfan on 5/6/2009 at 12:17 AM

 

Wings looked way better at the end of the period. Finally turning it on?

Mickey's p*ssed about the refs and I agree. All I want is consistency.

Posted by YzerFan19 on 5/6/2009 at 12:19 AM

 

i'm at work and can only catch bit's and piece's great job by Zetterberg to get us on the board is Hossa gonna earn some of that fat cash he's gettin or what? but that's beside the point at least the end of the period was good carry that momentum and let's tie this sucker up!!!

Posted by bigred4478 on 5/6/2009 at 12:31 AM

 

Hossa's gotta be playing hurt. Nothing else explains it.

I don't have a bad feeling about the third yet, so that leaves me cautiously optimistic.

Posted by YzerFan19 on 5/6/2009 at 12:35 AM

 

Wow, Zetterberg line with a great shift early.

Posted by YzerFan19 on 5/6/2009 at 12:38 AM

 

Decent start to the period by the Wings.

Posted by Britishwingsfan on 5/6/2009 at 12:41 AM

 

Ozzie comes up big!

Posted by YzerFan19 on 5/6/2009 at 12:44 AM

 

Enormous power play coming up.

Posted by YzerFan19 on 5/6/2009 at 12:52 AM

 

Didn't win a faceoff, never got set up. Awful PP.

Posted by YzerFan19 on 5/6/2009 at 12:57 AM

 

Well, Chelios draws another. Maybe this one will work.

Posted by YzerFan19 on 5/6/2009 at 12:59 AM

 

Wings are buzzing but can't get anything.

Posted by YzerFan19 on 5/6/2009 at 1:05 AM

 

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