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Red Wings - Ducks: More Random Babbling

I was going to recap the Wings-Ducks tilt from this afternoon but, especially with the way it ended, I decided I wanted to do something a bit more editorial.

Over at Abel to Yzerman, Bill's got a piece posted called Screwed. It's his opinion of what happened to the Wings on the potential game-tying goal late in the third.

I'm torn on agreeing or disagreeing with sentiment.

Part of me that says that on a day that saw Florida Panthers forward Richard Zednik take a skate to the throat, arguing about a goal seems insignificant. We all remember Jiri Fischer here and when things like this happen, we're all reminded that there are bigger things than the game itself in hockey.

That said, the events of a Buffalo-Florida game that hadn't happened yet were not at the front of Wings fans minds this afternoon.

I spent most of the afternoon pretty upset, which is why I've kept my comments limited. I've tried to give myself time to calm down and gain perspective.

The non-goal at the end of the game is just the exclamation point on a game that was horribly-run from the beginning. It's huge but it shouldn't be the focus.

At 7:15 of the second, Chris Pronger was called for tripping Mikael Samuelsson and Sammy was called for diving. After the whistle, Chris Kunitz threw a couple punches at Samuelsson that went uncalled. In the ensuing four-on-four - which should have been a Detroit power play, whether by not calling the dive or by calling the roughing - the Ducks scored.

The officials spent the rest of the day trying to make up for that, calling cheap penalties on Anaheim that the Wings couldn't capitalize on.

It made for an awful game. Wings fans will complain about the things that weren't called, Ducks fans will complain about the things that were, and the national TV audience will have missed a chance to see a great game.

I don't agree with calling extra penalties to "even things up." It cheapens things. If the refs really cost a team a goal, they need to be able to own up and rectify it, but there's no way to do that.

The funny thing is that the easiest way to even things up would have been to allow Nicklas Lidstrom's goal to tie the game at 3-3 but that didn't happen.

Do I believe that Tomas Holmstrom interfered with Jean-Sebastien Giguere's ability to make the save on that goal? No. From my replay, Giguere's stick was impeded by Holmstrom's leg only after the puck was in the net. Giguere couldn't see the puck through Holmstrom's screen and that wouldn't have mattered if he was three more inches out. The video for that will go into my archive for if I ever start HolmstromCreaseWatch.com to archive these incidents.

Does that matter? Of course not. We'll never hear what the Red Wings organization really thinks of that play. We'll never hear what the NHL has to say about it. It's done to them.

My thinking a few hours after the game? Forget about it. The whole game was a mess, might as well write it off and move on.

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The Wings look to rebound from their OT loss to the Maple Leafs yesterday as they host the Anaheim Ducks today.

Detroit's lineup is incomplete with Dan Cleary out until the playoffs but the Ducks' lineup is finally togther with the team's cap-skirting Teemu Selanne's retirement over.

Osgood gets the start for the Red Wings, Giguere goes for Anaheim.

Posted by YzerFan19 on 2/10/2008 at 1:52 PM

 

Schneider knocks Holmstrom down in the crease with Homer chasing the puck and an open net. No call. Gonna be one of those games.

Posted by YzerFan19 on 2/10/2008 at 3:37 PM

 

Please, Lord, don't let Bertuzzi or Schnieder score. <img src="http://forums.detroithockey.net/public/style_emoticons/default/ohmy.png" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":o" border="0" alt="ohmy.png" />

Posted by skyguy52 on 2/10/2008 at 3:45 PM

 

Please, Lord, don't let Bertuzzi or Schnieder score. <img src="http://forums.detroithockey.net/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/ohmy.png" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":o" border="0" alt="ohmy.png" />


If we're asking the lord for things, go bigger, go for none of them to score and they all suffer minor injuries that will keep them out until next October.

Posted by YzerFan19 on 2/10/2008 at 3:50 PM

 

Ducks are the most penalized team in the league and yet it's Zetterberg going off first for a weak, weak hook.

Posted by YzerFan19 on 2/10/2008 at 3:53 PM

 

Any word yet on how long we're without Cleary???

Posted by skyguy52 on 2/10/2008 at 3:54 PM

 

Nick Lidstrom, power play goal! Suck on that, Scott Niedermayer.

Posted by YzerFan19 on 2/10/2008 at 3:56 PM

 

Any word yet on how long we're without Cleary???


Eight weeks.

Posted by YzerFan19 on 2/10/2008 at 3:56 PM

 

A blast by Lidstrom with lots of Wings and sticks going to the net.

Love it.

Posted by skyguy52 on 2/10/2008 at 3:57 PM

 


Any word yet on how long we're without Cleary???


Eight weeks.

Yikes. And a broken jaw of all things. That must have hurt too. Never had one, but he must have had some pain killers.Heard Babcock mention, he expects someone to step up & fill the void.

Posted by skyguy52 on 2/10/2008 at 3:59 PM

 

f*cking hell.

Posted by YzerFan19 on 2/10/2008 at 4:01 PM

 

Carter.. They all count, but I must say that was a piece-o-crap.

Posted by skyguy52 on 2/10/2008 at 4:01 PM

 

Cleary having such a good year ... and he's probably out for the remaining regular season.

Posted by skyguy52 on 2/10/2008 at 4:03 PM

 


Please, Lord, don't let Bertuzzi or Schnieder score. <img src="http://forums.detroithockey.net/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/evil.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":evil:" border="0" alt="evil.gif" />


If we're asking the lord for things, go bigger, go for none of them to score and they all suffer minor injuries that will keep them out until next October.

(Except for Schneider, he's ok <img src="http://forums.detroithockey.net/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.png" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":)" border="0" alt="smile.png" /> On my watch...<img src="http://forums.detroithockey.net/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.png" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":D" border="0" alt="biggrin.png" />)Oh well. I would just like to thank the lord this isn't a sorry excuse for a game like yesterday! >:| That was horrid. And they're not getting beaten, yay! <img src="http://forums.detroithockey.net/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.png" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":)" border="0" alt="smile.png" />

Posted by Mathieu_Datsyuk132351 on 2/10/2008 at 4:09 PM

 



Please, Lord, don't let Bertuzzi or Schnieder score. <img src="http://forums.detroithockey.net/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/evil.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":evil:" border="0" alt="evil.gif" />


If we're asking the lord for things, go bigger, go for none of them to score and they all suffer minor injuries that will keep them out until next October.

(Except for Schneider, he's ok <img src="http://forums.detroithockey.net/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.png" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":)" border="0" alt="smile.png" /> On my watch...<img src="http://forums.detroithockey.net/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.png" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":D" border="0" alt="biggrin.png" />)Oh well. I would just like to thank the lord this isn't a sorry excuse for a game like yesterday! >:| That was horrid. And they're not getting beaten, yay! <img src="http://forums.detroithockey.net/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.png" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":)" border="0" alt="smile.png" />

OK, sorry, How could I forget you are a Schneider fan. Well, how about if he scores, but its called back because it wasn't legal..?? haha

Posted by skyguy52 on 2/10/2008 at 4:15 PM

 

So McGueire is praising the Ducks being physical by using the example of Giguere knocking down Franzen in front of the net. Which is a penalty that went uncalled. Physical or lucky? No one would be praising them if the refs would call it.

Posted by YzerFan19 on 2/10/2008 at 4:33 PM

 

Hudler due to for a goal or point.

Posted by skyguy52 on 2/10/2008 at 4:36 PM

 

Late cross-check by Pronger, not called. Punch by Kunitz not called. Bullsh*t.

Posted by YzerFan19 on 2/10/2008 at 4:37 PM

 

Can we have that called back??

Posted by skyguy52 on 2/10/2008 at 4:40 PM

 

And the Ducks score on what should have been a Detroit power play. f*ck you, refs.

Posted by YzerFan19 on 2/10/2008 at 4:40 PM

 

OK, sorry, How could I forget you are a Schneider fan. Well, how about if he scores, but its called back because it wasn't legal..?? haha


<img src="http://forums.detroithockey.net/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.png" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":)" border="0" alt="smile.png" /> In your faces. Now let's have Dr. Fil and Pavel Datsyuk score & call it even! <img src="http://forums.detroithockey.net/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/evil.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":evil:" border="0" alt="evil.gif" />

Posted by Mathieu_Datsyuk132351 on 2/10/2008 at 4:41 PM

 

The Ducks are still very happy with the officials? No sh*t, McGuire! f*ck you, refs.

Send Downey out to cross-check as many people as possible in the jaw. Start with Pronger and Giguere.

Posted by YzerFan19 on 2/10/2008 at 4:43 PM

 

The Ducks are still very happy with the officials? No sh*t, McGuire! f*ck you, refs.Send Downey out to cross-check as many people as possible in the jaw. Start with Pronger and Giguere.


I like this idea! <img src="http://forums.detroithockey.net/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/evil.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":evil:" border="0" alt="evil.gif" /> They've gotten away with some stuff, as usual. It's stupid. How can the reffs be so blind?

Posted by Mathieu_Datsyuk132351 on 2/10/2008 at 4:45 PM

 

I like this idea! <img src="http://forums.detroithockey.net/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/evil.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":evil:" border="0" alt="evil.gif" /> They've gotten away with some stuff, as usual. It's stupid. How can the reffs be so blind?


They're not blind, they saw Samuelsson. They *chose* not to call Kunitz. Because physical is expected from Anaheim but how dare those weak Swedes in Detroit try it.

Posted by YzerFan19 on 2/10/2008 at 4:47 PM

 

DUCKS seem to be handling the WINGS with ease.

Posted by skyguy52 on 2/10/2008 at 4:48 PM

 

I have to say, that had to have been one of the worst no-calls I've seen in a long time... It's not often you hear NBC announcers (who lately seem to be anti-redwings, even though they're "neutral"wink.png call out the refs on a no-call that hurt the redwings.

Wow. <img src="http://forums.detroithockey.net/public/style_emoticons/default/evil.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":evil:" border="0" alt="evil.gif" />

Posted by drwmike33 on 2/10/2008 at 4:48 PM

 

Getzlaf throws a shot at Drake after the hit on Kunitz 'cause Kunitz is too much of a bitch to take care of himself.

Posted by YzerFan19 on 2/10/2008 at 4:50 PM

 

Ooh! I remember what I had to say now. <img src="http://forums.detroithockey.net/public/style_emoticons/default/evil.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":evil:" border="0" alt="evil.gif" />

Did anyone catch that Mike Babcock said it was 'at least it's entertaining' when they interviewed him earlier? <img src="http://forums.detroithockey.net/public/style_emoticons/default/smile.png" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":)" border="0" alt="smile.png" /> Maybe he gave them some smelling salts before the game started.

Posted by Mathieu_Datsyuk132351 on 2/10/2008 at 4:50 PM

 

Meech's stick held by Rob Niedermayer. No call.

Posted by YzerFan19 on 2/10/2008 at 4:50 PM

 

You're kidding me.

Posted by YzerFan19 on 2/10/2008 at 4:52 PM

 

You're kidding me.


My thought also. D: WowThat shouldn't have happened.

Posted by Mathieu_Datsyuk132351 on 2/10/2008 at 4:53 PM

 

Downey shouldn't be going with their pornstached fighter, he should have gone after one of their stars.

Posted by YzerFan19 on 2/10/2008 at 4:54 PM

 

WINGS standing still on that one. Especially Rafalski. Ducks rushing the net almost untouched.

Draper with a scoring opportunity just prior, shoots wide. When is Draper going to learn how to put his shots on net?

This game is getting away from the WINGS and quickly.

Posted by skyguy52 on 2/10/2008 at 4:55 PM

 

Milbury praises the Ducks for being able to get away with so much. Again, if the refs are doing their jobs, that's nothing to praise.

Posted by YzerFan19 on 2/10/2008 at 4:57 PM

 

Ooh! I remember what I had to say now. <img src="http://forums.detroithockey.net/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/evil.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":evil:" border="0" alt="evil.gif" />Did anyone catch that Mike Babcock said it was 'at least it's entertaining' when they interviewed him earlier? <img src="http://forums.detroithockey.net/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.png" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":)" border="0" alt="smile.png" /> Maybe he gave them some smelling salts before the game started.


Didn't hear that. In what context was Babs talking? Was he referring to the REFS' non-calls ??

Posted by skyguy52 on 2/10/2008 at 4:57 PM

 

Way to draw the call, Zata.

Posted by YzerFan19 on 2/10/2008 at 4:58 PM

 

Downey shouldn't be going with their pornstached fighter, he should have gone after one of their stars.


Hmmm, that brings the names to my head of Pronger and Cleary <img src="http://forums.detroithockey.net/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/evil.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":evil:" border="0" alt="evil.gif" /> Anyone else remember that fun time? Yay! <img src="http://forums.detroithockey.net/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.png" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":)" border="0" alt="smile.png" /> Power play!

Posted by Mathieu_Datsyuk132351 on 2/10/2008 at 4:58 PM

 

Didn't hear that. In what context was Babs talking? Was he referring to the REFS' non-calls ??


No, the fast pace of it, I think. If I remember right <img src="http://forums.detroithockey.net/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/evil.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":evil:" border="0" alt="evil.gif" />

Posted by Mathieu_Datsyuk132351 on 2/10/2008 at 4:59 PM

 

End of 2:

Shots on Goal:

Wings 23 -------------------- Ducks 16

Score:

Ducks 3 --------------------- Wings 1

PHISSS pooor

Posted by skyguy52 on 2/10/2008 at 5:03 PM

 

Anyone else thinking the WINGS goal tending is deficient?

MY opinion:

Neither DOM or OZZIE are getting done .... haven't been for the last 10-12 games.

Posted by skyguy52 on 2/10/2008 at 5:14 PM

 

Anyone else thinking the WINGS goal tending is deficient?MY opinion:Neither DOM or OZZIE are getting done .... haven't been for the last 10-12 games.


So that eight game winning streak was done even with bad goaltending?Nah, last couple games haven't been great but no reason to worry.

Posted by YzerFan19 on 2/10/2008 at 5:17 PM

 

Anyone else thinking the WINGS goal tending is deficient?MY opinion:Neither DOM or OZZIE are getting done .... haven't been for the last 10-12 games.


The last couple games hasn't been as great as they have been all season, I'll give you that. But it's one of those "This too shall pass" situations. The announcers were just talking about how we need to figure out our goaltending situation because niether is good enough. I say look at the numbers and shut up. What other team can say that they have both goalies with the best GAA in the league 1,2? There's not much of a base for that argument. Understandably, sometime stats lie, but they can't be THAT far away from the truth.

Posted by drwmike33 on 2/10/2008 at 5:21 PM

 

Not sure I agree with the goalie interference call. I'd hate to see it the other way. That said, Randy Carlyle can f*ck himself if he wants to complain about it.

Posted by YzerFan19 on 2/10/2008 at 5:24 PM

 

Way to go Franzen!

Posted by YzerFan19 on 2/10/2008 at 5:27 PM

 

Nice pass by Hudler to Franzen who finishes!

Posted by skyguy52 on 2/10/2008 at 5:28 PM

 

Yay! Franzen's keeping us in the game!!

Posted by Mathieu_Datsyuk132351 on 2/10/2008 at 5:28 PM

 


Anyone else thinking the WINGS goal tending is deficient?MY opinion:Neither DOM or OZZIE are getting done .... haven't been for the last 10-12 games.


The last couple games hasn't been as great as they have been all season, I'll give you that. But it's one of those "This too shall pass" situations. The announcers were just talking about how we need to figure out our goaltending situation because niether is good enough. I say look at the numbers and shut up. What other team can say that they have both goalies with the best GAA in the league 1,2? There's not much of a base for that argument. Understandably, sometime stats lie, but they can't be THAT far away from the truth.

I say alot of the credit for the low GAA is the puck possession style of of the WINGS offense.I'm not impressed yet with either goalie. I've never been a big fan of Ozzie. I've felt alot of his stats are due to the guys he has up front.Sorry to disagree, but I'm just not able to give the WINGS goalies credit.

Posted by skyguy52 on 2/10/2008 at 5:32 PM

 

Giguere Just kept the score from being tied.

He seems to have his best games against the WINGS.

Posted by skyguy52 on 2/10/2008 at 5:36 PM

 


Anyone else thinking the WINGS goal tending is deficient?MY opinion:Neither DOM or OZZIE are getting done .... haven't been for the last 10-12 games.


So that eight game winning streak was done even with bad goaltending?Nah, last couple games haven't been great but no reason to worry.

I say it had less to do with the net minding than the puck possession, and checking lines up front.

Posted by skyguy52 on 2/10/2008 at 5:41 PM

 

I just noticed they haven't said much about Pronger today. <img src="http://forums.detroithockey.net/public/style_emoticons/default/evil.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":evil:" border="0" alt="evil.gif" /> Let's keep it that way. Too bad Gigeure and his barely legal pads keep making saves.

(These commentators are annoying.)

Posted by Mathieu_Datsyuk132351 on 2/10/2008 at 5:45 PM

 

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