Misconduct

I'm Just Sayin'

I went on and on about this in the forums tonight but I figure it can't be said enough so I'll expand on it a little here.

On page 164 of the 2006-2007 NHL Rulebook (page 212 of the giant PDF that the league provides through its website), rule 78.5 is found.

Rule 78.5 is imporant is that it descibes the specific circumstances upon which an apparent goal is to be disallowed. One such circumstance?

"When a goalkeeper has been pushed into the net together with the puck after making a save."

In Detroit on Sunday, two referees and an entire video review team ignored this rule, allowing Travis Moen's apparent game-tying third period goal to stand despite the fact that Red Wings' netminder Dominik Hasek was pushed into the net with the puck by Rob Niedermayer.

I can't say what the outcome of the game would have been had the rulebook not been thrown out but we should have been able to find out.

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We're two minutes in and this game is already insane. Ridiculously fast pace.

Posted by YzerFan19 on 5/13/2007 at 7:45 PM

 

Damnit! I was just starting to think the Wings might survive the first period.

Posted by YzerFan19 on 5/13/2007 at 8:13 PM

 

Shorthanded goal, bitches!

Posted by YzerFan19 on 5/13/2007 at 8:51 PM

 

Goddamnit, that SHG is nothing now. Love how Selanne whacked Hasek right before that. Good thing they're cracking down on goalie interference.

Posted by YzerFan19 on 5/13/2007 at 8:56 PM

 

Nice to know that, even with Stevie gone, we can count on the captain. Great shot by Nick.

Posted by YzerFan19 on 5/13/2007 at 9:07 PM

 

Long five-on-three to start the third. Good chance to get on top.

I can't believe some of the calls and non-calls. I wish I could be this inconsistant at my job.

Posted by YzerFan19 on 5/13/2007 at 9:14 PM

 

Lang did something! What a pass!

Posted by YzerFan19 on 5/13/2007 at 9:32 PM

 

You can't push the goalie into the net with the puck, this shouldn't count.

Posted by YzerFan19 on 5/13/2007 at 9:39 PM

 

f*ck you, Toronto.

Posted by YzerFan19 on 5/13/2007 at 9:40 PM

 

And the Red Wings win!

Wait... What do you mean we're going to overtime? Hasek was pushed into the net and the goal counted?

Posted by YzerFan19 on 5/13/2007 at 10:12 PM

 

Worst rule in hockey

Posted by Stormo on 5/13/2007 at 10:40 PM

 

Does that mean they got rid of it in the middle of the game?

Posted by YzerFan19 on 5/13/2007 at 10:45 PM

 

hey.. new to these forums.. great game.. go wings!

Posted by RRhoads on 5/13/2007 at 10:46 PM

 

Midway thru OT1 and ANAHEIM appears to be controlling the play. Could WINGS be fatiqued? Not much in the way of offence by the WINGS for the past several minutes.

Posted by skyguy52 on 5/13/2007 at 10:48 PM

 

Clark, I meant the Sammy penalty for putting it over the glass...not Niedermeyer tipping Hasek into the net...Hey I mentioned three of my Rockies in this post

Posted by Stormo on 5/13/2007 at 10:49 PM

 

ANAHEIM clearly outplaying the WINGS in OT .... and it pays off .....

Posted by skyguy52 on 5/13/2007 at 10:53 PM

 

<img src="http://forums.detroithockey.net/public/style_emoticons/default/shocked.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":shocked:" border="0" alt="shocked.gif" />

to RRhodes. Too bad your first night couldn't have a better result.

Posted by YzerFan19 on 5/13/2007 at 10:53 PM

 

<img src="http://forums.detroithockey.net/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/shocked.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":shocked:" border="0" alt="shocked.gif" /> to RRhodes. Too bad your first night couldn't have a better result.


yeah.. a real good luck charm I am.

Posted by RRhoads on 5/13/2007 at 10:55 PM

 

For the record, NHL rule 78.5 deals with disallowed goals. Part IX of the rule says a goal shall be disallowed


When a goalkeeper has been pushed into the net together with the puck after making a save.


So did they just ignore that rule or did they decide Hasek wasn't making a save?

Posted by YzerFan19 on 5/13/2007 at 10:58 PM

 

Clark, I meant the Sammy penalty for putting it over the glass...not Niedermeyer tipping Hasek into the net...Hey I mentioned three of my Rockies in this post


I swear that last season they gave officials the latitude to only call that when they thought it was put in on purpose or something like that, but I don't think I've ever seen it not called. In fact, the opposite, some cases where it was clearly accidental have been called.

Posted by YzerFan19 on 5/13/2007 at 10:59 PM

 

Wings are lucky to have one win at this point, Anaheim has controlled both games. The way its looking wings will be ousted in five or six games. We have been bailed out by powerplays so far and have scored more short handed goals than even strength goals. I hope this loss helps babcock see where the problems are and can make the adjustments for game 3 and the rest of the series.

Posted by RideTheRedWave on 5/14/2007 at 1:04 AM

 

Wings are lucky to have one win at this point, Anaheim has controlled both games. The way its looking wings will be ousted in five or six games. We have been bailed out by powerplays so far and have scored more short handed goals than even strength goals. I hope this loss helps babcock see where the problems are and can make the adjustments for game 3 and the rest of the series.


Agreed. WINGS are going to have to do some soul searching here.

Posted by skyguy52 on 5/14/2007 at 1:25 AM

 


Clark, I meant the Sammy penalty for putting it over the glass...not Niedermeyer tipping Hasek into the net...Hey I mentioned three of my Rockies in this post


I swear that last season they gave officials the latitude to only call that when they thought it was put in on purpose or something like that, but I don't think I've ever seen it not called. In fact, the opposite, some cases where it was clearly accidental have been called.

On one of the goals, HASEK did make the save, however fell backwards onto his back(not clear if he was pushed by an ANAHEIM player), and slid head first into the net. He was well inside the net, when the puck fell off his left thigh pad (where he had held it upon making the initial save) onto the ice, which of course, at this point was well inside the net. The WINGS are gonna have to REALLY bear down next game and get Giguerre rattled, OR as one guest has already, expressed, This is going to be a short series. More offense is needed from the WING lines 2-4. I say this because I don't feel it is as much a question of a questionable ANAHEIM goal as it is not enough offense from the WINGS.

Posted by skyguy52 on 5/14/2007 at 1:35 AM

 

On one of the goals, HASEK did make the save, however fell backwards onto his back(not clear if he was pushed by an ANAHEIM player), and slid head first into the net. He was well inside the net, when the puck fell off his left thigh pad (where he had held it upon making the initial save) onto the ice, which of course, at this point was well inside the net.


That's the one I'm p*ssed about. Hasek wasn't hit to fall backwards, he did that on his own, but he was pushed into the net after falling onto his back. If Niedermayer doesn't push him, he doesn't go into the net, the puck stays out. Niedermayer did push him, though, which is how the puck got into the net, and that's not supposed to be legal.

Posted by YzerFan19 on 5/14/2007 at 7:14 AM

 


On one of the goals, HASEK did make the save, however fell backwards onto his back(not clear if he was pushed by an ANAHEIM player), and slid head first into the net. He was well inside the net, when the puck fell off his left thigh pad (where he had held it upon making the initial save) onto the ice, which of course, at this point was well inside the net.


That's the one I'm p*ssed about. Hasek wasn't hit to fall backwards, he did that on his own, but he was pushed into the net after falling onto his back. If Niedermayer doesn't push him, he doesn't go into the net, the puck stays out. Niedermayer did push him, though, which is how the puck got into the net, and that's not supposed to be legal.

yes, i agree. you can see that right after he falls, he lies there without moving backwards. He only starts moving backwards when niedermayer pushes him

Posted by RRhoads on 5/14/2007 at 5:55 PM

 

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